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This genre is entirely new to me and I like it! It makes metal sound unholy again.

I wonder if there are any songs or bands that fit this genre that are not explicitly mashups?

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I am not a dev, but I am emotionally invested in a new way to share music that is fair and empowering to the artists. Recurring payments for this project, in any form, would be a tangible way for me to do so. I really the idea of investing in certain concepts or features--it makes the relationship between wishful fan and developer more easy to understand.

I also agree with @dominic: for this to be used by enough "mainstream" people- so that it can grow to enough of a size that the discovery aspect feels legitimately exciting-- there'll need to be ways for non tech folk to contribute and make it their own. If they are using peer 2 peer technology, then they will want to feel like they are a peer.

I would love to help with the research aspect of this. I have a decent amount of friends who are in bands, work in the music industry, or run record labels. I would be interested to know the ways they share music and connect to people now that feels good, the ways where it feels rotten, and what they'd want out of a new model. It'd be fascinating to discuss what an independent label would look like in a decentralized model, or how the punk model of supporting a scene could translate into a purely digital space.

In a similar vein, I propose having a ssb channel that discusses p2p music models, that is not tied to a thread about soundcloud collapsing. This thread is amazing, but we are now discussing something far grander than the original topic. And by having this convo attached to soundcloud, it positions the discussion as one about how to replace or improve a single app using new tech. This feels limited, when we are discussing a way to improve the entire culture in general.

I propose #punk2punk or #music-futurism ! But I could also be wrong!

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I agree soooo wholeheartedly with your sentiments, @ev, @dinosaur , and @matt .

I think if we are discussing monetization, and how to appeal to the mass public enough to match the reach of Soundcloud or even Spotify, if we are describing music fans as "users" and musicians as "tippable creators"...it is missing the heart of what makes something like Ferment exciting.

I like listening to my friends' music, and I like sharing things inspired by it. I like sharing my own music to my friends. I like it when this continual sharing and supporting expands into a scene. This is a thing that has been endlessly sustainable in real life. What is the way in which you can extend this online, using the full power of the technology we have these days to just better extend human relationships?

One of the most appealing things about SSB is that it is designed to match actual human interactions and relationships-- and because of this it ends up far more radical, encouraging, and open than other social media platforms I've experienced. SSB doesn't replace any current system I'm using: instead it creates in me the rush of pure possiblity and connection I felt when i first went online. I don't need features or mass appeal if I have that.

In the same way, when designing a p2p music-sharing platform, I think the focus should be on how to bring back the sense of joy you had when first sharing your art online, and discovering something incredible someone else made. That platform could be very small--at its heart it really only needs two people-- but if it is honest, and dignified, and correct then it will grow, because people are drawn to things that feel good.

I think that any alternative to an aged and corrupt centralized streaming model has to be new and unknown: and if it new and unknown we should allow it to be small and clumsy too, so it can grow up on its own. Deciding upon scale and monetization for this idea is similar to deciding to raise a baby only if it can articulate how it plans to retire.

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Happy Spendy - You Look Lovely EP

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I am currently remaking my website, so that it is less of a business card and more of a garden, and I am doing so at the kitchen table of A's mom's house, after everyone else has gone to sleep. The sun has just set, the dark outside is at the softest of the night. Inside, the only light is warm and scattered; wall-lamps and stringlights and the glow of a tv left on, with nature scenes revolving slowly on its screen. Even the scattered magazines and glasses on this table seem as if they're sleeping and here I sit coding away, enjoying the simple rhythmic pleasure of typing.

In moments like this, joy rises quietly around you then catches you in its flow. It is the joy found in folding clothes, or the steam of a tea kettle, or the freeway at night. It is the joy found in the first few moments of Happy Spendy's song "Candy"--all their cheap soft sounds play in their own time before serendipitously faling into sync.

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Summer twilight, watching US v. Japan in the EVO Street Fighter 5 Finals, and high on Baja Blast and Taco bell spicy potato tacos. Such wonderful, maximalist nostalgia excess.

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I did! This one actually. They are good people who are behind this, but are not natural community organizers and so the meetings have been a bit hard to parse, to be honest. I could connect you to some of the main organizers if you're interested though, @mix

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I love these pieces. They remind me of the first few minutes after you put on a new prescription of glasses, and everything is disorientingly distinct. but in a beautiful tree-full world.

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Hey, Neftaly!

They will show up in the feeds of your friends and your friends of friends. Tags are a way to organize your posts, rather than a way to restrict or expand viewership of them. However, there may be a friend-of-friend you haven't met yet who is also into boating, and becomes a direct friend of you through exploring the #boats tag and seeing your post.

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I really like how simple and light 'bay is; and it's interesting to see all the git messages now. The one thing I miss compared to Patchwork is the Channels list on the side. I see that I can put a # into the search bar to bring up my subscribed channels, but I can't see a list of any channel with recent activity. I like that section in Patchwork cos it acts as a kind of discovery to see what people are talking about that I wouldn't even think to type in (like #anarchitecture or #spider-island).

Is there a way to see a list of channels that had recent activity within Patchbay, that I'm just not figuring out?

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Do any of y'all have experience with tech cooperatives that are not made up of programmers or developers, but instead the more customer-facing side of a tech company?

I had an experience that made me think of this, but I am not sure the right words to use--so i'll try to just explain:

I am visiting my hometown and went to see a bunch of my friends who all work at the same company. The company is based outside of the country, but has a remote office in town. My friends all do support, training, QA, and documentation for this company and have been working there for years (in fact, many of them were part of an original smaller company that got acquired by this int'l one). So they are used to working together, and come from a small team experience where they had to wear a bunch of different hats and be agile-- but none of them do the actual code work. They support the technology, but do not write it.

Anyway, the larger company seems to be looking to consolidate their resources at their headquarters. This remote office keeps getting smaller and everyone is afraid that one day the office will close. Morale is v. low and on top of this, this is a small town that doesn't have any tech scene. This office is kind of a fluke. So folks have built up all these awesome skills over 4 or 5 years, but don't want to work in this morale-crushing, potentially closing office anymore. They love the town they are in and don't want to move, but moving seems to be the only way to keep working with software and technology. Many of them are learning how to program on the side with the hope of getting some entry level job in case their current one folds up. It's kinda heartbreaking, because this office was such an awesome part of the community for a long time.

It made me think that a support cooperative could be an awesome idea: they would partner with new companies that don't have any support staff, and aren't quite sure how to get started. This cooperative would learn the product and support it remotely together, while also building out the documentation and training procedures. They'd use their experience as a team to build an awesome support environment and establish good practices for any new hires. Then, when the new company was on its feet and had all this established and able to grow their support staff, this original cooperative seed would move on to help some other new company. In this way, they could keep working together, and keep working within this field they like, while owning their work themselves.

Has something like this been done by a cooperative? Is there any examples my friends could learn from, or would this be hard to sustain?

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I am writing this now from Patchbay, having successfully installed it without losing my diary or anythang. I just followed all the instructions on github topdown. I can run Patchwork or Patchbay now, and that is really cool!

thank you y'all. I think i'll condense this down to a new FAQ of "Can I switch ssb-clients safely? How?"

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I really enjoyed this game when I played it! It was kinda peaceful and the strategy felt low stakes, like it's a good game to play when you just wanna sit at the kitchen table and talk, but need something to do with your hands.

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Good point, @gb! I was referring to the readme on patchbay's github page: https://github.com/ssbc/patchbay

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I am for not being indexed on google. I like the idea of certain threads being available by consent, but not the entire network. I found patchwork originally through Andre's article about an "off-grid" network. I like that it is off the grid, and google is the grid.

(I know grid in the article meant many things, but I guess my point is that I am for a network you can read about on the world wide web, but does not exist on the web where it can be tracked, organized, and commodified.)

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What is the best process for moving an existing SSB diary onto a USB key? Say that you want to be on Scuttlebutt on multiple computers, but don't want to have multiple identities. Rather, you just plug in your cool-ass USB key and are good to go. Is there a known best process for how to tell Patchwork where to find your SSB diary?

(by diary I mea the append-only log, yr personal scuttling and such)

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If someone wanted to move from using Patchwork to Patchbay, but has not yet installed patchbay, is there anything about the installation they need to be careful of? The concern would be following all the steps without question on the patchbay readme, and accidentally creating a new diary. Is this a moot concern though?

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Ranier!
I don't know if this counts, but Modelo Especial is just a perfect tasteless cloud of a beer. (the Especial makes me think it's fancy, and thus why it may not count.)

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I am saying I am attending just cos I am all for this, and my spirit will be attending 100%.

I love what People's Open are doing and would love to hear how this goes!

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<3 Are there many teen girl squads too?

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i am having such a nostalgic pang for home lately, home being Olympia, WA and the Puget Sound. Luckily, I am going back there soon and I think the closeness of the return is making my this humid east coast heat even harder.

This is one of my favorite misty harbor olympia songs, short and memoryfull, silly but with a string section. I'll listen to it this morning on my walk to work and try to summon the rain and pines.

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I love this, and that song/video was wonderful. In the picture included, is that a painting behind the bartender, or a window to the outside? I have a feeling it's the latter and holy cow New Zealand seems amazing.

There is something really nice about anonymous secrets dropped off so casually. Even if they end up getting laughed at by the bar staff, it's a form of release, a pleasant unshouldering of your burden.

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I wanted to share with y'all a recap of my last show, to help describe what I do when not chatting about solarpunk and like buttons on Patchwork!

The best place to view it (cos it's long) is here: Sleepwalker #4 Recap

I feel v. happy I get to put on such a pleasant and confusing event as often as I do and that is all!

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Cattle - Slow Sailor EP

It will be 32° celsius today here in Ridgewood, and I am working to get all chores done in the morning before the heat settles in. All of outside is beautiful--shiny and bright, a soft blue sky streaked with high clouds--and I am up early and working quickly and it feels goooood. I've opened up the windows and am blasting this EP. It is Tokyo dreampunk--one wall of static and noise surrounding sweet earnest melodies and lyrics sung in a carefully articulated English. This EP sounds like a day without a schedule, like the buzzing of power lines, like the smell of saltwater as it dries on your skin and it is perfect for this summer day.

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@regular, I understand what you mean, though I was not using computers in that heyday of the BBS. But Scuttlebutt reminds me of when I first got onto the internet, and didn't know what to look for or what I'd find, but just wanted to explore. Social Media now feels like echo chambers that we've been allowed to personalize. The conversations and threads in Scuttlebutt do not feel like an echo of anything to me at all.

I wonder how many folks share a feeling of "This is what I remember things feeling like once" when talking about the scuttleverse.

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This makes me super happy to hear. I feel I should have said also said, "this song is a 25 minute synth drone", as the mood def has to be right for listening to a 25 minute synth drone. I hope it brought in the weekend well for you though!

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Hello all!

i don't know how to ask this without sounding corny, but am legitimately curious: How has your life changed since joining the scuttleverse and socializing through the patch apps? I am not expecting everyone to have had a profound change, but do you find that you interact with your computer, or the social time you spend on the computer, in different ways? Do you use other programs less? Has it gotten you into new subjects or ways of thinking? Has it had an effect on your thoughts or behaviors away from the computer?

I jumped on this afternoon and found a bunch of new messages around off-grid cooking and anarchitecture and cool proposed code changes and it made me wonder if all y'all were having similar conversations on other platforms before, or whether these conversations were engendered by this strange and wonderful network.

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This looks so gooooooooood. I like that the laekon curls slightly as it fries like pig bacon. A lot of the vegan bacon I've tried will be flat strips that have been falsely colored and are only good when crispy. I'll have to try this recipe.

Also: I love the amount of vegans on scuttlebutt. Helps with recipes a lot!

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And if you do listen to this song, listen to it loud.

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Jeremy Davis - Double Fidelity

Jeremy Davis makes me understand, in my chest, that a song is just a controlled vibration. I love this track so much and cannot stop listening to it. I just went to the West Coast and listened to this song as the plane was taking off, and listening to it as it landed, then repeated the process on the way home. Cannot recommend enough. This album is a perfect fit for plane travel as both use technology to lift you off the ground like magic.

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I approach communication with the same excitement as a child given a phone for the first time and they can hear their grandma's voice in it.

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to be sincere: this is an honest continual issue for me. I just wrote an email where every other sentence had an exclamation point, and it felt kinda subdued to me, but I also recognized that I should remove most of them. But when I did that, it felt way too flat. So every email or exchange that I write I think, "You can't be this excited", then realize that I am!

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Not needed! The context of the words can help explain their intent, and exclamation points express the correct amount of excited wonder that should come with any question! I haven't fully thought through this!

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If I didn't have to follow society's strict rules of grammar all my punctuation marks would be exclamation points and all my words would be exclamation points too

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Hi Jay!

Welcome! I am super glad you came to Scuttlebutt. I initially got into the genre/philosophy through a combination of solarpunkanarchists.com and the solarpunk tumblr-- so thank you for helping run that!

One of the things that excites me about this Solarpunk Channel is how many posts are people discussing and helping one another with actual solarpunk technologies. It is realizing the dream in such a cool way.

What's been exciting you lately within the solarpunk realm?

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